More anti-Tebow backlash & Tim Brown's vote

Joey Johnston at the Tampa Tribune reports on the widening anti-Tebow backlash:

With ballots from the 925 Heisman Trophy voters due in New York by Wednesday afternoon, a curious phenomenon is sweeping through the airwaves. The anti-Tim Tebow movement.

He's also got the non-vote of 1987 winner Tim Brown:

"Everybody has been on me because Tim Tebow is not even on my list," said Brown, the former Notre Dame wide receiver who gets a vote as the 1987 Heisman winner. "Look, if you're a quarterback, in my mind, you've got to be playing for a national championship. I can't take a quarterback who has lost three games.
"Everybody wants to talk about his numbers. But it's like he's running quarterback sneaks from the 5-yard line. I don't necessarily find that as impressive as everybody else."

Of course, we don't yet know who Tim Brown did actually vote for. So, stay tuned...

Kari Chisholm | December 4, 2007 | Comment on This Post (65 so far)
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Tim Brown is a moron. Does he even watch football? If so it isn't evident from his comments. Wow. It is amazing that these comments come from so called former winners and analysts. I guess they think the running backs who have run the ball inside the 5 just tip-toed in. The hate is just apparent. Maybe he should have called Tebow "Whitey the Ghost"? You know, just sneaking in from the five yard line and all. Like every defense he has gone up against wasn't looking for the run. Tim, do you think they thought he was going to just drop back and throw the bomb on third in short in critical situations? No, you idiot. They knew he was going to run it right up there mouth. Guess what? He still made the first down quite often. An NCAA leading amount of the time. You are an imbecile, Tim Brown. It's not even a leap to suggest you have an agenda.

Sad, that we have to tear down these athletes that are 20 years old instead of lay the stats and facts out there. You know, level of competition, ranked defenses, strength of schedule. Yep, avoid the facts at all cost, Tim. Don't lay it out the way it really is, spew the garbage like Mike Wilbon did on PTI in the most pathetic attempt to discredit the accomplishments of Tebow.

Most are starting to believe the Heisman has turned into a hyped, politicized, and entirely discredited award. This year the Heisman may reach an all time low. Now the coaches, (June Jone etc,.you know who you are) are attacking the kids? Of course the voters are proving that everyone is fair game if it doesn't fit their personal mode. I think we should be able to attack back. Consider my post the first for calling out the voters, coaches, analysts, and fans that make personal attacks at the athletes. If you want to debate the merits of what they have done then bring it to a new level of discourse and act like you know how to be analytical about these awards and the players who compete for them.

Posted by: SG | Dec 4, 2007 2:54:09 AM

I've noticed this type of position from other voters and not surprisingly it's a position taken by NON-QUARTERBACKS. Eddie George had a similar view. I believe this is simply a backlash against quarterbacks by other positional players who are jealous of the amount of attention a quarterback gets by the media and fans.

Not that it matters though looking at the numbers. Although this position is not unique it seems to be a fringe element mostly held by non-quarterback players as Tebow is running away with the award so far.

Posted by: KG | Dec 4, 2007 4:19:19 AM

i think tim brown sent in his ballot for 'daniel mcfadden'...and it's being thrown out because he voted for someone who doesn't even play college football (seriously, i read this in an article somewhere).

Posted by: greg | Dec 4, 2007 4:51:37 AM

Brown, George, Ward......The logic they are using is, well, suspect to say the least. I'm starting to wonder if there is a new club forming? The one that says we screwed McFadden last year so lets make up for it by screwing Tebow this year.

Posted by: SG | Dec 4, 2007 4:54:16 AM

Notre Dame graduate, Tim Brown? Voted for the Nobel prize Laureate, McFadden? That is absolutely hilarious!

Posted by: SG | Dec 4, 2007 5:00:37 AM

Who is Tim Brown? He won a Heisman while playing for Notre Dame. Had he played anywhere else he would be a non-entity. His comments are as bogus as his Heisman. That is about as close to his non-logic as I can get. BTW, I wonder if he voted for the little QB from Boston College who had 4 losses the year he won it.

Posted by: ed schlein | Dec 4, 2007 5:03:00 AM

This is what really ticks me off: if it were so easy to score on all these so-called "five-yard QB sneaks," then why haven't we seen QBs with scores of such touchdowns in previous seasons??? People deride Tebow's stats without actually thinking about what they mean. Everyone in the stadium knows that Tebow is going to run on those plays -- including the entire defense -- AND YET HE STILL SCORES. THAT makes him an outstanding player. Did Chase Daniel make it into the end zone on third and goal in the first quarter last weekend? No. Point proven.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 4, 2007 5:32:10 AM

Not sure this is real, but it's funny either way.

http://year2.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/brown-accidentally-votes-for-daniel-mcfadden/

Posted by: ST | Dec 4, 2007 6:00:12 AM

DOES NOT MATTER, THIS CONTEST IS OVER!!
STRIKE A POSE TIM!

Posted by: josh | Dec 4, 2007 6:03:03 AM

Let's talk about TD's 5 yds or less.
McFadden's Rushing TD's:

5yd Alabama
1yd Alabama
2yd North Texas
4yd North Texas
2yd Chattanooga
3yd Florida International
1yd Florida International
2yd Florida International
2yd Florida International

Now Tebow's Rushing TD's:

1yd Western Kentucky
3yd Troy
5yd Tennessee
2yd Auburn
2yd Kentucky
2yd Georgia
3yd Georgia
1yd Vandy
1yd Vandy
5yd USC
1yd USC
3yd USC
2yd USC
5yd USC
5yd FSU

I'd say those numbers are pretty comparable. 15 of 22 for Tebow or 68% and 9 of 15 for DMac or 60%. Tim Brown is an idiot. McFadden should get used to being 2nd. Two years in a row now. Way to go Tim you deserve it.

Posted by: Derek | Dec 4, 2007 6:21:44 AM

So much for academic excellence. Maybe that's a new thing because ND has sucked for so many years now. Maybe back in the 70's & 80's they didn't care so much about academics. This guy obviously fell through the cracks.

Tim Brown... You're "Sofa King We Todd Did" (say it quickly)...

Posted by: Chris | Dec 4, 2007 7:13:36 AM

So I'm assuming that Brown did not vote for any quarterbacks this year. Who did he vote for in his top 3 then? I get Darren McFadden but who else is worthy of a top 3vote that is not a quarterback?

Posted by: Christy | Dec 4, 2007 7:14:02 AM

I'm glad that most of the former Heisman winners are getting this one correct. I'm tired of people acting like Tebow deserves the Heisman because he has more total yards and touchdowns than 'everybody' even though that's entirely not true.

Sorry guys but DMAC is gaining on Tebow and you better get ready for it.

The Heisman goes to the most outstanding player in college football and DMAC is the best player to step in the SEC since Bo Jackson.

You guys honestly want a future NFL fullback to win the Heisman? That's a joke and he would be a joke if he wasn't in the spread offense. Also he got to play 7 more quarters of football in his non-conference games than DMAC did, bolstering his numbers in the 4th quarter against Florida International and Florida's other weak opponents. If DMAC would have played through the fourth quarter of every game he would have ran for more than 2000 yards and 20 touchdowns and this wouldn't even be a discussion, but because Arkansas has class we decided we wouldn't stomp all over our easy opponents just to raise DMAC's Heisman stock. Maybe that's because he's obviously the best candidate and should win the Heisman.

Also, Tebow touched the ball 200+ more times on the season than DMAC and his yards per touch were 7.7 compared to DMAC 5.6. Two yards difference in a spread offense with the option of running is aweful. Face it, Tebow is just a guy with a big arm, is a short yardage back/fullback, and is in the perfect system. If he was on nearly any other team in the nation he wouldn't be even close to as good. DMAC could be on any team and still be the best player in the nation.

Posted by: Stephen | Dec 4, 2007 9:59:50 AM

Let's see, about 40-50 votes are coming from previous heisman voters. Of those only a few have supported McFadden or Dixon (For their first votes). Other than that, I don't see McFadden gaining a bunch of traction. Look at the votes on this site and the other polls.

I'm not saying either will win, but to quote you "You better get ready" for DMAC finishing 2nd for this year as well.

Good luck to both guys. Either way a Heisman in the SEC is a good thing.

Posted by: chris | Dec 4, 2007 10:36:42 AM

Tebow is the real deal, people. He can run AND throw; the first to reach the 20/20 TD club. Just step aside and give Supeman the He15man Trophy already. God bless you, Tim!

Posted by: Johnny O | Dec 4, 2007 11:11:03 AM

Stephen, you are so misled it is laughable.

First of all, Florida didn't even play Florida International. You were probably thinking of Florida Atlantic.

Florida played FAU, who won their conference and is going to a bowl game. Tebow had 4 TD's in the game.

Arkansas played FIU, who won one game all season. McFadden had 4 TD's in the game.

You tell me which performance was more impressive?

Secondly, you talk about Tebow running up his stats against weak competition. Let's just look at Tebow vs. McFadden in their games against their 7 common opponents.

In games against their 7 common opponents (Troy, Kentucky, Auburn, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee and LSU):

McFadden accounted for 2+1+0+0+2+0+4 = 9 TD's and his team was 4-3.

Tebow accounted for 5+5+2+4+7+4+3 = 30 TD's and his team was 5-2.

Tebow has performed at an extremely high level all season long, no matter who the Gators are playing. You can't say the same thing for McFadden--he has completely disappeared for several games this year.

Posted by: matt | Dec 4, 2007 11:26:25 AM

Tebow padded his stats against Florida International? Interesting since Florida didn't play Florida International. Arkansas did though. How's this for weak opponents: Florida International, Troy, Chattanooga (not even Division 1A), and North Texas? For a combined record of 13-34. Florida's non-conference schedule was 29-19. Strength of Schedule...Florida 9, Arkansas 64. Coincidentally, McFadden tallied 8 of his amazing 15 rushing TDs against these dominant non-conference opponents. Wow...7 rushing TDs against SEC opponents...impressive! I think anyone who scores 7 conference TDs should win the Heisman. What...they can't give out 120 Heisman's?

Posted by: ST | Dec 4, 2007 11:52:40 AM

The story about Tim Brown voting for "Daniel McFadden" is a piece of satire I wrote in response to his comments about not voting for Tebow because he's an underclassman. Glad you liked it, though, ST.

Posted by: David Wunderlich | Dec 4, 2007 11:54:49 AM

Ed said of Tim Brown, "Had he played anywhere else he would be a non-entity."

Considering he's a likely NFL HOF member, I really doubt that.

Posted by: Craig | Dec 4, 2007 12:47:33 PM

Tim Brown should be disqualified from the HOF under his own guidelines beause he didn't even win a Super Bowl.

You want the real reason? Here it is (from wikipedia profile):

Brown chose Notre Dame and played there from 1984-1987, earning the nickname "Touchdown Timmy." In his first year, he set a freshman record with 28 receptions. As a junior, he set a record with 1,937 all-purpose yards. He made the College Football All-America Team twice and won the Heisman Trophy in 1987, becoming the first wide receiver ever to win the award.

There you have it folks - Brown knows that there is a new "TOUCHDOWN TIMMY" and that his old records are a joke compared to the newer, better Touchdown Timmy!!!

Posted by: skigator | Dec 4, 2007 1:30:54 PM

So, because Tebow may or may not play QB in the pros, it's a joke that he'll win the award. That is just god awful logic. It's the best COLLEGE player, and should have nothing to do with pro potential or draft status.

That said, Tebow's only a sophomore so he has plenty of time to improve. Banishing him to another position at the NFL already is extremely premature.

McFadden's fumbled the ball FOURTEEN (14!) times this season, and coughed it up three times against LSU despite his great overall game. He had TWO dominant games all season, and wouldn't even be in the conversation otherwise. His 5.7 YPC average is nothing special, and neither are his numbers compared to other Heisman winning RBs... kid is overrated if anything.

Tebow's clearly been the best player this season, and it's not even close. Even if you took out his rushing numbers, his passing stats are better than a lot of previous QB winners as well.

Posted by: killa3312 | Dec 4, 2007 2:42:32 PM

Tebow played extremely well in EVERY game, even when he was injured. Frankly, when you exhibit great leadership, compete in the best conference and break records formly held by some of the greatest players in history and carry close to a 4.0 gpa you are exactly what the Heisman is all about. Tim Tebow is a modern day Roger Staubach. The scary thing is he will get even better as a QB!

Posted by: JACK MANHEIMER | Dec 4, 2007 3:55:30 PM

Reposting this....

You guys bashing McFadden are pretty off-base.

1) McFadden had something around 180 yards rushing and 2 TD's and a TD pass in regulation against LSU. He had a Heisman type game in regulation alone.

2) Of course Tebow has more touchdowns, he is the absolute focus of the Florida offense. He touches the ball AT LEAST 2-3x more a game than DMAC. Beyond that, McFadden shares carries with Felix Jones, widely considered one of the top ten backs in college. On top of Felix, arguably the nation's top fullback plays for the Hogs. I wish I would have counted every time McFadden was used as a decoy and it resulted as a TD, I promise you it was more Florida fans care to acknowledge. If Arkansas had given the ball to DMAC inside the five every time like Florida did for Tebow, McFadden's numbers would be through the roof.

3) When Arkansas is on the goal line and McFadden does not score, he is used as a decoy and typically sets up the score. Should he be punished for that? Tebow will ALWAYS get credit for a touchdown, whether throwing or passing in this situation.

4) Are you really going to argue that Arkansas' four losses hurt worse than Florida's three? Please. If anything, it's worse for Florida because Tebow can have more of an effect on a game from the QB spot than DMAC can from the RB spot.

5) McFadden didn't just show up for the last half of the season...how about 195 yards against Alabama in a dominating performance? Or 173 yards against Kentucky? He only had one bad game all year, and that was against Auburn. Auburn literally put 9 guys in the box and Arkansas' QB play is so pitiful that we could not back them off. Once again, this is to no fault of McFadden's.

Everyone arguing for Tebow is basically saying that QB's deserve it more than RB's. I don't give a rip about numbers, to be honest with you, because stats don't tell the story. If they did, Brennan would have won it last year, and Texas Tech's QB would be in NYC every single year. When I watch games, McFadden is the most explosive, powerful, dominating, game-changing player I have seen. Tebow is great, no doubt, but put McFadden in the wildcat 100% of the time and surround him with Florida's talent and see what happens. He obviously wouldn't throw for as much as Tebow, but he would run for a hell of a lot more.

The voters told McFadden last year to go home, have a great junior year, and come collect your trophy. He did just that, and hopefully Tebow will be told the same thing this year.

Go Hogs.

Posted by: hogfan | Dec 4, 2007 4:40:46 PM

Oh yes, because Tebow racked up 838 rushing yards by running from the 5 yard line every time. His high is actually 25, and he's had some very impressive runs (i.e. the one early in the Florida State game).

Posted by: Cody | Dec 4, 2007 4:59:38 PM

To Stephen and the others with the stupid arguments for McFadden over Tebow . . . Here's a question for you. How many teams in College football would want to have Tebow leading their team? He's a true leader - a difference maker - a game changer. McFadden's a heck of a running back but with 2 or 3 absolutely pitiful games, he's seriously inconsistent. You can't count on inconsistency. And 7.7 yards per carry versus 5.6 is awful? What are you stupid? There's so much more to say but you've been sniffing too much Hog crap to think straight.

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